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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 29, 2009 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

Jezz, I don't know. I seems to me that he zeroed right in on Bob's role in the music - holding it all together in the middle. I once said to a friend 'it's sometimes really hard to find Bob in all that Grateful Dead music,' and she answered 'that's because Bob is the music."

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Poster: daliguana Date: Apr 29, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

that's my take on it as well - Bobby knows when to accentuate at just the right moment to get you jumpin'

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 29, 2009 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

He did say central not lead. Not to get into another dreaded Weir debate BUT I don't care what anyone says - Jerry and Phil ( especially Jerry playing without a traditional bassist ) would have never had the freedom to do what they had without all the crazy stuff Weir provided in the middle. It just wouldn't have sounded right.

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Poster: L.A. Women Date: Apr 29, 2009 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

I dunno if I agree with that. I know your a big fan of JGB and John kahn so I find your position rather startling. I think Bob was an important part of the grateful dead sound- and without him it just wouldn't have been the same-but, I think Jerry's playing in JGB was just as good and without Bob he seemed to have a little more freedom to do his own thing.

At times It seems to me Bob actually held Jerry back. When Bob was not on top of his game it really shows that hes not that great a guitarist, and can be rather repetitive. You could say, well Jerry wasn't always on top of his game- but Jerry plays off of Bob not Bob off of Jerry, so when Bob is off it affects Jerry's playing more so than Bob when Jerry was off.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate Bob's contribution to the grateful dead and I wouldn't have it any other way. BUT, at the same time let me just say there are times when I turn to JGB in part to get away from Bob.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 29, 2009 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

Hmmmm ... I find this a very interesting topic, because in some ways I agree with you. I love the JGB, and agree that in many ways Jerry's playing is more free there.

But my point above was that, IMHO, in the context of Grateful Dead music, Weir was the perfect complement to Garcia (and to Lesh). There is no piece of music that I love more than hearing Jerry do Sitting Here In Limbo, for example, but one of the obvious differences between the JGB and the GD was the depth and complexity of the guitar interplay. When they were on - which it turns out really was a lot of the time - Bob was the perfect support guy and enabled Jerry and Phil to sound like the gods they were (are). 1973 and 1981 China Cat Sunflower-I Know You Rider transitions spring to mind as examples.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-09.nak700.glassberg.motb.82373.sbeok.flac24

Bobby catches a lot of deserved heat for being a goofball space-head, and hilarious Rock God, but musically I consider him an ace and nearly ego-free ensemble player. Listen to that 3-09-81 China Cat again! (btw, just in case anyone I thinks I'm trashing him, I must say that one of my favorite things about old Bob is that he somehow manged to be both a Rock God and a Parody of a Rock God, at the same time.)

This is, of course, all wildly subjective and irresponsibly general - and in no way explains 1978 - but do I need to say again that it's all IMHO?

For some Weird reason, this thread has reminded me of Hunter's notes on the deep space Other One on Hundred-Year Hall:

"After awhile only an uninsistent but understood sense of tempo indicates this to be a piece of music in any sense this audience might comprehend. Jerry is considering E. 52nd Street in the '50's while Phil has meandered down to Basin Street. Bobby is pasting decal ducks on the blue tiled wall of a shower." Heh-heh ... is that perfect?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 29, 2009 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

I agree with you 100% - Bobby is the center, and almost always made Jerry sound even more amazing.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

nicely put - and i certainly agree with how that was phrased. always love listening to what bobby is doing - jerry was often like a surfer on a wave (and i mean that complimentary)

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Apr 29, 2009 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Famous Deadheads...let's make a list...I'll Start

Absolutely. It wouldn't sound anywhere near the same without Weir in there.

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